3rd Viscount Saye and Sele, William Fiennes

3rd Viscount Saye and Sele, William Fiennes

Male Bef 1639 - 1696  (> 56 years)

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  3rd Viscount Saye and Sele, William Fiennes was born before 04 Mar 1638/39; was christened on 04 Mar 1638/39 in St. Lawrence, Frodingham, Lincolnshire (son of Colonel Nathaniel Fiennes and Elizabeth Eliot); died in 1696.

    William married Mary Fiennes on 09 Apr 1674. Mary died on 23 Oct 1676; was buried in Broughton Church, Oxford. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Nathaniel Fiennes was born on 23 Oct 1676; died on 02 Jan 1709/10; was buried in Broughton Church, Oxford.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Colonel Nathaniel Fiennes was born in 1608 in Broughton, Oxfordshire (son of William Fiennes and Elizabeth Temple); died on 16 Dec 1669 in Newton Toney, Wiltshire; was buried in St. Andrew, Newton Tony, Wiltshire.

    Other Events:

    • Occupation: Apr 1640; M.P. for Banbury

    Notes:


    --- "The History of Banbury" by Alfred Beesley, 1841, page 622-3:
    Nathaniel Fiennes. On the northwest wall of the nave of the Church of Newton Toney, Wilts, is the monument erected to the memory of Nathaniel Fiennes and his two daughters; being a large oblong slab of black marble, on which, beneath the arms, is carved the inscription given below. Two flat stones on the floor of the chancel also bear arms and inscriptions, now much obliterated, but evidently in memory of unmarried daughters of Nathaniel Fiennes, in all probability the same that are mentioned on his own monument:---

    In memory of the Honourable
    Nathaniell Fiennes Second
    Sonne of William Lord Viscount
    Say & Seale, who departed
    This Life the 16th day of December
    1669 in the 62 yeare of his age

    And
    Of his two eldest Daughters
    Frances & Elizabeth by Frances
    His wife Daughter of Richard
    Whithead of Tuderly in ye County of
    Southton Esqr who both died in
    The flower of their age.
    Here lyes also the Honble Frances
    Fiennes who died the 7th Octr 1691
    In the 70th year of her age leaving
    Only two Daughters
    Mary & Cecilia.
    Cecilia
    Born June ye 7th 1662 died 10th April 1741 at Hackney.

    Nathaniel married Elizabeth Eliot on 11 Aug 1636 in St. Mary's, Haynes, Bedford. Elizabeth (daughter of Sir John Eliot and Radigund Gedy) was born before 29 Dec 1616; was christened on 29 Dec 1616 in St. Germans, Cornwall; died before 01 Apr 1639; was buried on 01 Apr 1639 in St. Lawrence, Frodingham, Lincolnshire. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Elizabeth Eliot was born before 29 Dec 1616; was christened on 29 Dec 1616 in St. Germans, Cornwall (daughter of Sir John Eliot and Radigund Gedy); died before 01 Apr 1639; was buried on 01 Apr 1639 in St. Lawrence, Frodingham, Lincolnshire.

    Notes:


    Elizabeth was the eldest daughter of Sir John Eliot (the great Patriot) and wife of Colonel Nathaniel Fiennes (second son of William Fiennes, 1st Viscount Saye and Sele, and later Speaker of Cromwell’s Parliament.

    Brumby Hall in North Lincolnshire was bought and rebuilt for Nathaniel and Elizabeth (by his father) at the time of their marriage, and their arms can still be seen on the outside of the house today.

    In her husband's 1669 will, instructions were given to his executors to take £10 and place a memorial in St. Lawrence Church for his "first and dearly beloved wife".

    Children:
    1. Nathaniel Fiennes was born between 1637 and 1638; died between Oct 1669 and 15 Mar 1673/74.
    2. 1. 3rd Viscount Saye and Sele, William Fiennes was born before 04 Mar 1638/39; was christened on 04 Mar 1638/39 in St. Lawrence, Frodingham, Lincolnshire; died in 1696.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  William Fiennes (son of Richard Fiennes and Constance Kingsmill); died on 11 Apr 1662.

    Notes:


    Had four sons and four daughters. His fourth daughter, Bridget, married the Earl of Lincoln. Of the four sons, the three younger took a prominent part in the Civil War. James was the oldest son, and probably on the side of the King. One son was named John and called "Jack" by his father and "John" by his mother.

    William married Elizabeth Temple. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Elizabeth Temple
    Children:
    1. 2. Colonel Nathaniel Fiennes was born in 1608 in Broughton, Oxfordshire; died on 16 Dec 1669 in Newton Toney, Wiltshire; was buried in St. Andrew, Newton Tony, Wiltshire.

  3. 6.  Sir John Eliot was born on 11 Apr 1592 in Cuddenbeak, St. Germans, Cornwall; was christened on 20 Apr 1592 in St. German's, St. Germans, Cornwall (son of Richard Eliot and Bridget Carswell); died on 27 Nov 1632 in Tower of London.

    Other Events:

    • Knighted: 18 May 1618
    • Will: 20 Dec 1630
    • Will: 27 Nov 1632, Codicil Added
    • Will: 11 Dec 1632, Will Proved

    Notes:


    --- "Western Morning News" 02 Dec 1942, page 6:
    CORNISHMAN'S WARNING
    The most famous, or, to speak more correctly, the most fameworth, Cornishman of his day was Sir John Eliot, an ancestor of the Earl of St. Germans.

    An outstanding figure in that great struggle with the Crown, his speech, made while his friends Valentine and Holles prevented the Speaker of the House of Commons from leaving the chair, has lost none of its force when applied to the present day. Solemnly he uttered the warning that none had "gone about to break Parliaments but that in the end Parliaments had broken them."

    Today the struggle is with a dictatorship outside the country, but Sir John Eliot's words are still a solemn warning.

    --- West-country Poets by William HK Wright (as he found it in Worth's "West-Country Garland"), 1896
    ON SIR JOHN ELIOT
    Heer a musitian lyes whose well tuned tongue
    Was great Apollo's harpe, so sweetly strunge
    That every cadence was an harmonye.
    Noe crotchets in his musicke! Onlye hee
    Charmed the attentive burgesses alone,
    Ledde by the eares to listen to his songe.
    For innocence, sad widdowes' orphans' teares
    (The dumbe petitioners of unfeigned feares),
    How smoothly could thine eloquence alone
    Create a helpinge pittie where was none.

    John married Radigund Gedy in Jun 1609. Radigund (daughter of Richard Gedy and Katherine Boscawen) died before 13 Jun 1628; was buried on 13 Jun 1628 in St. Germans, Cornwall. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Radigund GedyRadigund Gedy (daughter of Richard Gedy and Katherine Boscawen); died before 13 Jun 1628; was buried on 13 Jun 1628 in St. Germans, Cornwall.

    Notes:


    --- "Launceston, Past and Present" by Sir Alfred Robbins, 1888, page 143-4:
    On June 17 Eliot followed up this exposure by denouncing Mohun to the Lords, but three days later he was forced to abandon the attack by melancholy news from Cornwall, the Commons Journals of the twentieth containing the entry "Sir John Eliot, in respect of the death of his wife, hath leave to go down into the country." Lady Eliot had been failing in health for some time, but the end, which took place at Port Eliot, was sudden. Of her "all that is known to us is the tenderness with which her husband described, as 'a loss never before equalled,' what had befallen him by her death; and that she was said to have been so devoted to her children as never to have willingly consented to be absent from them . . . Care for his younger children appears to have occupied him at first; and some were placed with their mother's father, Mr. Gedie, of Trebursey, to whom Eliot is lavish of grateful expression for his service at this time."

    Children:
    1. John Eliot was born on 18 Oct 1612; was christened on 18 Oct 1612; died before 25 Mar 1685; was buried on 25 Mar 1685 in St. German's Church, St. Germans, Cornwall (Upper End of the South Aisle).
    2. Richard Eliot was born about 1614; died between 1645 and 1648.
    3. 3. Elizabeth Eliot was born before 29 Dec 1616; was christened on 29 Dec 1616 in St. Germans, Cornwall; died before 01 Apr 1639; was buried on 01 Apr 1639 in St. Lawrence, Frodingham, Lincolnshire.
    4. Edward Eliot was born before 10 Jul 1618; was christened on 09 Jul 1618 in St. Germans, Cornwall; died before 06 Apr 1710; was buried on 06 Apr 1710 in St. Paternus, South Petherwin, Cornwall.
    5. Bridget Eliot was born before 26 Apr 1620; was christened on 26 Apr 1620 in St. Germans, Cornwall; died before 16 Jun 1663; was buried on 16 Jun 1663 in Ermington, Devon.
    6. Radigund Eliot was born before 11 Oct 1622; was christened on 11 Oct 1622 in St. Germans, Cornwall; died after 1627.
    7. Susanna Eliot was born before 13 Oct 1624; was christened on 14 Oct 1624 in St. Germans, Cornwall; died between 02 and 07 Oct 1661; was buried on 07 Oct 1661 in Southwick, Hampshire.
    8. Thomas Eliot was born before 07 Sep 1626; was christened on 07 Sep 1626 in St. Germans, Cornwall; died before 16 Apr 1630; was buried in St. Paternus, South Petherwin, Cornwall.
    9. Nicholas Eliot was born before 15 Jun 1628; was christened on 15 Jun 1628 in St. German's, St. Germans, Cornwall; died before 21 Sep 1689.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Richard Fiennes died in 1613.

    Richard married Constance Kingsmill. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 9.  Constance Kingsmill (daughter of William Kingsmill and Bridget Raleigh).
    Children:
    1. 4. William Fiennes died on 11 Apr 1662.

  3. 12.  Richard Eliot was born about 1546 (son of Thomas Eliot and Joan Norbrooke); died on 22 Jun 1609 in Port Eliot, St. Germans, Cornwall; was buried on 24 Jun 1609 in St. Germans Church, St. Germans, Cornwall.

    Notes:


    --- "The Life of Sir John Eliot" by Harold Hulme, 1957, page 18:
    Richard Eliot inherited most of his uncle's Cornish and extensive Devonshire properties. Among them was the lease of Cuddenbeak in St. Germans. But the mansion house of Port Eliot, orchards, gardens, and about fifty acres of land had been given by John Eliot to his wife Grace as her jointure. Eventually this estate reverted to Richard and his heirs. From 1577 to about 1598 he was living at Cuddenbeak, while from the latter date to his death in 1609 he made Port Eliot his residence.

    Richard Eliot married Bridget, daughter of Nicholas Carswell of Hatch Arundell in Devonshire. Their son and only child [sic], John Eliot, the future knight, was born at Cuddenbeak on April 11, 1592. The middle-aged father must have been overjoyed at the birth of a son and heir. When, on April 20, the child was baptized in the old Norman church festivities were the order of the day at Cuddenbeak. Richard Eliot invited his neighbours to drink to the health and prosperity of his son and feast upon the bounty of his lands. It is said that the lord of Cuddenbeak and Port Eliot 'by his ancient hospitality and generous living [had] attracted the acquaintance of most of the gentlemen in his neighbourhood who frequently visited him at his house at St. Germans'.

    Richard married Bridget Carswell. Bridget (daughter of Nicholas Carswell and Ellen Fortesecue) was born before 24 Feb 1559/60; was christened on 24 Feb 1559/60 in Loddiswell, Devon; died on 04 Mar 1617/18 in St. Germans, Cornwall (Cuddenbeak or Port Eliot); was buried on 05 Mar 1617/18 in St. German's, St. Germans, Cornwall. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 13.  Bridget Carswell was born before 24 Feb 1559/60; was christened on 24 Feb 1559/60 in Loddiswell, Devon (daughter of Nicholas Carswell and Ellen Fortesecue); died on 04 Mar 1617/18 in St. Germans, Cornwall (Cuddenbeak or Port Eliot); was buried on 05 Mar 1617/18 in St. German's, St. Germans, Cornwall.
    Children:
    1. 6. Sir John Eliot was born on 11 Apr 1592 in Cuddenbeak, St. Germans, Cornwall; was christened on 20 Apr 1592 in St. German's, St. Germans, Cornwall; died on 27 Nov 1632 in Tower of London.
    2. Mary Eliot was born before 21 Jan 1593/94; was christened on 21 Jan 1593/94 in St. German's, St. Germans, Cornwall; died before 18 Feb 1593/94; was buried on 18 Feb 1593/94 in St. German's, St. Germans, Cornwall.

  5. 14.  Richard Gedy (son of Unknown Gedy and Margery); died in Sep 1629.

    Notes:


    --- "The Western Antiquary" vol. 1, 1882, page 176:
    Genealogical Hints.
    (By Wyvern Gules.)
    Sir, --- The late Earl of St. Germans being somewhat of a genealogist, desired some information respecting the Gedey family, from whom the Eliots derived much property. while turning over some Close Rolls last week, I accidentally discovered that Henry Killegrew (in 1585), partly in reward for the good offices of his servant Ric. Gedey, conveyed to him Tudeford, in St. Germans, then in occupation of Rob. Trelawney.

    --- "Notes and Gleanings" Vol. 3, W. Pollard and Company, 1890, page 159:
    Although he [Jasper Hickes, Vicar] had received his previous livings from the king, his extremem Puritanpropensities probably account for his presentations to Landrake, the manor of which had been owned in the early part of the seventeenth century by Richard Gedie, of Trebursye, South Petherwin (father-in-law of Sir John Eliot) who, in his will dated 1627, stated that he had sold it to Hugh Boscawen, John Trefusis, John Rashleigh, and Leonard Treise.

    --- "The Western Antiquary" Vol. 10, 1891, page 33
    South Petherwin.
    . . . The full parish list, dated "March 6 1641" has 169 names, including "Jacob Rowse vicar," and leading off with "Thomas Blighe Degory King get Antipas Rowse gent," whil it includes John Treise, Nicholas Geddy, Sylvester Geddy, and Richard Geddy, the three last being evidently of the family into which Sir John Eliot had married.

    --- "The Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor" Vol. 1 by Sir John Maclean, page 79:
    Treise.
    The family of Treise would seem to have been of respectable station in the early part of the seventeenth century, but it is not noticed in the Herald's Visitation of Cornwall of 1620. The first of the name which we find mentioned is William Treise of Castle Milford, in the parish of Tremayne, gentleman, who died May 4, 1622. His eldest son and heir, Leonard Treise, was recorder of Launceston, where he RESIded. He married Radigund, daughter of John Squire, by which marriage he is supposed to have acquired Trevallet in the parish of St. Thomas, where the family was seated for three generations. This lady would appear to have been related to Mr. Geddie of Trebursey, whose daughter married the celebrated patriot Sir John Eliot of Port Eliot, with whom Mr. and Mrs. Treise were on intimate terms. Mr. Treise was a trustee for certain estates under Mr. Geddie's will for the benefit of Sir John Eliot's children; and he, together with his wife and daughter Mary, are mentioned in kindly terms, several times, in Sir John Eliot's letters, published in Forster's Life of Eliot.

    --- "Launceston, Past and Present: Historical and Desciptive Sketch" by Sir Alfred Robbins, page 132:
    [Sir John] Eliot had left London for the West on the day of the adjournment, and, as Vice-Admiral of Devon, was soon busily engaged in dealing with the Pirates. After the dissolution he had private affairs to occupy him as well. Charles had issued what were known as "privy seals," directing that those who were able should contribute to the royal exchequer; and the deputies for Cornwall showed their dislike for Eliot "by returning his father-in-law, Mr. Gedie, for an exorbitant amount. There was no pretence of dissatisfaction in the case. Mr. Gedie had served only the preceding year as sheriff of Cornwall, and his estate was still suffering from expenses consequent thereon. Yet he was certified for an amount of which the oppressiveness appears in the fact that it doubled the highest imposed upon someof the richest estates in Yorkshire, Sir Thomas Wentworth [afterwards the Earl of Strafford] being taxed for twenty and Mr. Gedie for forty pounds."*

    *Forster, Sir John Eliot, vol. i., pp. 271-2.

    Richard married Katherine Boscawen after 01 Mar 1590/91. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  6. 15.  Katherine Boscawen (daughter of Hugh Boscawen and Phillipa Carminow).
    Children:
    1. 7. Radigund Gedy died before 13 Jun 1628; was buried on 13 Jun 1628 in St. Germans, Cornwall.